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ecnook

Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


What are your likes and dislikes of your rig ?

HSP ? Where do you mount your electronics? What kicker, if any and how do you control it ?

And by all means lets see your pictures of your rig

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Buckshot

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I have a 620.
I love it. I would have to say the only drawback I have found is the tendency to spear waves. Once you get used to the boat it is pretty easy to avoid this with your driving technique.
Kicker...Yamaha T8 hands down is the best kicker out there. I have it set to steer from the drivers seat. If you are fishing primarily lakes like Erie or Green Bay you might want to opt for a 15hp or bigger kicker in case the main engine dies in rough water.
I run 2 units from the dash and one from the bow with GPS on the dash and the bow. Gotta have GPS in both places to control your speed precisely with the trolling motor.
You won't be sorry with a Ranger, 3 years with mine and not a single second thought.
John


tcfishing

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I have 619 and it's great. I have a Johnson 9.9 and it handles the boat well, unlike buckshot my kicker has a tiller handle and I wouldn't have it any other way. I haave the lower windshield so it sucks in the rain, just remember the glasses. I have an x19 w/gps for the driver and a garmen upfront mounted in the steel plate(by ranger). The cover is the best I've seen. This 619 may be for sale later in the year.

Steve DeZurik

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Quote:

I love it. I would have to say the only drawback I have found is the tendency to spear waves. Once you get used to the boat it is pretty easy to avoid this with your driving technique.





Dave,
Buckshot hit it on the head here with his statement. In big windy water, the 620 does take a bit of practive if you have never driven one before. I speared a couple waves in my day and can honestly say that most if not all could have been prevented with patient driving techniques. These boats are the smoothest boats out there in rough water in my opinion and you believe you an conquer anything out there. Well, you are still at the mercy of mother nature and must respect that. My 620 has been flawless in big water performance and the 620 will be the only boat I buy from this point forward!!

Good luck buddy in your quest for a Ranger!


ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


what about the rivers ? Ease of trolling, anchoring upstream from wing dams, shallow water(how much water do you need to opreate at a slow speed)

thanks guys ...

and where are those pix ?

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Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Spearing Waves I have only speared two waves in my day and each time Buckshot was with

As others have said, I have been very happy with all my Rangers so far. River or lake they work well. Very nice if you are a handliner!!! Also, the lower profile makes them nice for trolling as Wind does not catch the bow as bad as with some of the other boats. Great Ride, you would be very happy with a Ranger.


Stick Boy

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I dont think buckshot has never been so scared in his life, it even looked like he peed his pants .

I run the 620 as well with yamaha 225 hpdi and 8 hourse kicker with operation from the drivers council. The only changes I would make would be a full windshield (personal preferance) and "maybe" a tiller mount kicker. I am not happy with the controls on my kicker when I turn left the rps slow down and when I turn right they speed up. Ive had it in several times for this with no results. Ive been told to change the cables out to a softer cabel that will flex a little better and that will cure the problem??????????? Just dont think you should spend 40,000 and have to swithch cables when I no others arent having this problem. And yes I have speared a few in my boat as well, just need to learn the boat. Thanks to scott I have learned what to do in a bad situation like filling the boat full of water say 500 gallons, I could have put myself in a bad situation if not for his advice.

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Ted Merdan

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I have owned both a 619 and a 620.

The 619 I ran for 2 years and loved it - when my transducer would read .9 feet and headed shallower, then the boat would get stuck - found this out in the backwaters of pool 3... these boats don't need a lot of water to float in...

I like the tall sport windshields (plexiglass) I don't think the full are made well enought to withstand a season of fishing.

I run a global map (GPS only) and a combo sonar/gps unit on my dash with two different receivers to the dash and have both an in-hull and external transducer on the to the dash. I like redundancy so you can help yourself in a hurry if you have a problem. I run a combo unit on the bow because there are times when you need to stay on an icon or watch contours on the GPS screen also.

I put my 619 through a lot of big water - Erie, Saginaw Bay (4-7' one day...), Lake Sharpe, Mille Lacs, etc and it performed flawlessly. Does it spear waves - any boat can. As I got comfortable and more patient (key word) I learned that you can still run in big waves safely and comfortably.

Here's a shot of it for you Dave!


ted


Ted Merdan

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I ran a 2004 620 last year - a little different. This boat rides the waves differently, I suspect due to the longer length, more width, more engine set-back and slightly different hull, etc. I ran suspension seats and really liked them. When you are pre-fishing for 5-6 days straight and then head into a 3 day tournament you do your best to be fresh - this was one of my keys last year (I am not getting any younger or magically in better shape - unfortunately!). There are larger storage boxes in the 620 and 2 additional rod tubes - both huge adbvantages to this boat in my view.

Stillakid was with me for a rough day last year on Mille Lacs pre-fishing for the (then) RCL League event - he had a nice post on how the combo of the boat and suspension seats (www.laketamer.com) made miserable condions on the water a 'non-factor'. I had the boat in honest 8-9' at Bay de Noc in early June during a strong blow from the SE as I ran back from fishing south of the Cedar River to the Gladsone access (yes I know that I could have launched at the Cedar River, but how fun would have that been?) and never speared a wave - I did get wide eyes a time or two though...

The comments Scott made about the low profile are definitely an asset - less work fighting your boat while positioning your baits and more time fishing. The keel seems to extend farther towards the front of the boat to help keep you on course whether you are trolling or jigging...

I really do love these boats and for the record, I am sponsored by Ranger. I approached them in the fall of 2001 looking for assistance to start fishing Pro-Am formatted tournaments. Prior to that I had the experience of 30+ days riding with other pro's over the course of 4 years as an amateur and evaluated many of the boats on the market. I chose to target Ranger as I felt their boat gave me a competitive advantage. Today I still feel the same.

For 2005 I am running a 621 with Yamaha's new F250 4-stroke. My expectations are that this rig will continue to provide a competitive advantage to my tournament fishing.

For 2006 ??? Who knows, it will be a Ranger and I will have a Yamaha on the back - as to what model??? they all catch fish!!!

Here's a shot of my 620...

Feel free to PM me or email me at ted.merdan@bsci.com

ted


ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


ok...another question for the Ranger Guys ...and gals !!!

What are the minimum temps you put your Rangers on the water ? What about Ice ?

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B_Sander

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I just bought a 619 and have had it out 3 times in the last week. And mine wasnt the only one out there! I wouldnt worry about the temps. BUT Just like any other boat drain out all the water!

The ice, well DONT hit it!


ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Now thats A nice looking rig Brian ! What all do you have on it ? What HSP ? This is the one you've been talking about ...right ?

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B_Sander

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


It has a 200 on back. I am pretty sure im going to go with a 9.9 kicker but havent put one on yet! I have a x15 on dash an x85 up front and a x67c in back for trolling.

Heres a ? for all the ranger guys when your wide open whats the max RPM you will go to! I was told 55. But I was also told my boat will only go 55mph and Ive already had it at 60 mph solo at 55 rpms hmmm.


Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Dave, I have fished next to the ice so I would imagine the water is still pretty cold. I do not have any pictures of my new rig because it is in production. Ordering your first Ranger can be a little confusing because there are so many options and features you can add.

One thing you may want to do is take a look an RCL package and see what options are on that boat. Usually those options are ones you would want on any boat.


Steve DeZurik

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Here is a pic of my rig after taking a midday break from the walleyes to let my yellow lab Bailey run around on the sand bar. I have run this boat nearly all winter last year. I do not worry about the ice too much, as long as you drain everything out like Brian mentioned.

In most situations, fiberglass is more often than not cheaper to fix without a doubt. I love these boats! I am ready for a new one soon!


Steve DeZurik

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Here is one more shot of boat with the rear platform installed. This neat little feature turns this walleye rig into a very versatile multi-species boat. Takes 5 minutes at the most to put in or out of the boat.

ducksmuggler

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I have a 617 tiller with a yamy 80 four stroke. I have never got my boat to spear a wave but it does like to land a$$ end down when jumping crusier wakes on the river .
the only down side to my boat is that the live well is in the back and in rough water it leaks and soaks your pants and shoes and the guy sitting in front of you if you are good RANGER the best there is ................


Shaggy

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Dave,
I've had my 620 for a year now and absolutely love it. A couple of things to keep in mind. One, stay away from the full glass windshield unless you plan on doing the "Sunday drive" thing. My partners 620 is proof of that. I have the tall individual pods which work great for blocking wind, rain and bugs. The low cuts, in my opinion, are NOT the way to go. It's like a low cut windsheild on a snowmobile, they look cool but serve on purpose.
Second, if you plan on doing a lot of back-trolling, the counsel 620 would not be a very good choice as it does not have much for splash protection to prevent 3'+ waves from coming over the back. I would like to hear what other 620 owners have to say about this. My 620 does have a 6" jackplate which seems to make the rear end of my boat ride about 1" lower than normal, but I don't think 1" should make that big of deal.
I personal to not backtroll that much so that did not concern me. The 620, however, is a trolling machine, and that is the reason I bought one.
I forgot to mention one bad thing about the tall pod windshields. They will snap in half when 100 gallons of water hits them from spearing a wave. . . . ouch.
Good luck Dave on your Ranger purchase.


ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I do remember your rig Shaggy...but do you got any pix of it ?


And where in the Heck were you for the GTG on the ice down here ?

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ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


one more question...what is the difference between the VS and the DVS ?

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Slop Bass

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


single console (VS) dual console (DVS) if i'm not mistaken

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Edited by Slop Bass (02/10/05 01:55 PM)


Calvin Svihel

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I am proud new owner of a 620VS!

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swamptrout

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Nice! Nice! Nice! Do fish for swamptrout out of dat boat der?

Calvin Svihel

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Swamptrout only when the eyes are not biting!!!

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Dustin Stewart

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Nice boat Ranger29. Won't forget what that one looks like. I will surely know when your around. I think the color's pretty cool

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Mike Finke

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I have a question to add for you Ranger guys. When you have the rear casting deck in, can you still only have 2 seats in the bottom of the boat? The ereason I ask is 2 years ago I had a complete order ready to go for a new one and decided not to as a 2 person boat doesnt do much good for me on a guide trip.

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Ted Merdan

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


OK - I will try to answer the latest round of questions, others feel free to correct me.

VS - single console DVS dual console

Backtrolling - contact wave wackers and have a custom splashguard made (~$300) that kept most of the water out of my 619. I did not run one on my 620 because I primarly fished water where forward trolling or jigging off the bow was the presentation and sold the boat after using it for less than 6 months. This splashguard is removable and mounts like typical wave wackers to a piece of extruded aluminum channel that is mounted to the raised glass portion between the splashwell and the rear livewell: here's a shot of it off the Yamaha website via the starboard side: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/otb/WalleyePro/600/Ted_Merdan_038.jpg
here's a shot from the port:
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/otb/WalleyePro/600/Ted_Merdan_033.jpg
I personally liked how the Rangers backtroll after being a tiller man up until the last few years- I feel like the hull really lifts up and over the waves not trying to crash through them. The splashguard keeps most of the waves out and the 2 bilge pumps take care of the rest while keeping my feet and the carpet clean.

Rear deck and guiding: when I was running bass trips (shhh... keep that queit) with 2-3 customers on board and the rear deck in, I would have them sit on both the storage boxes and a throwable while holding onto the stainless rails beacuse there is only 1 mounting position left (the center one) when you intstall the rear deck.

Hope this helps,

ted


Tom

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


5200 rpm for my mercury.Tom

Shaggy

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Dave,

I thought maybe you could post a pic of my high speed fly-bye on Erie last year. Oh man was that a blast out there.

Sorry about missing the GTG, I really dropped the ball on that one. I'll email you will the details.

5900 RPM EVI H.O., 21 pitch 3 blade SS = 60.3 on the GPS


Calvin Svihel

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Ok guys here is another question for you!!! When you trailer your boat or running on the water, how do you keep your kicker motor in place?? How do you strap it down to keep it from bouncing around? That is one thing that I have not figured out yet?

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Kooty

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


What brand motor to you have??

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I was born in the 70's, grew up in 80's, made my mistakes in 90's now I'm just trying to make up for lost time.

John


Calvin Svihel

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Evinrude HO 225 and a Johnson kicker 9.9

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Kooty

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I don't know the Johnson line of motors, check with Fireflick. He ran those motors on his Lund. I would think the boat has some sort of "panther" like system for trim?? The only time I see it being down would be for use. When trailering you may want to strap it down to prevent bouncing and transom wear.

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I was born in the 70's, grew up in 80's, made my mistakes in 90's now I'm just trying to make up for lost time.

John


Shaggy

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Ranger29,
If you have a power lift unit for your kicker like a panther or CMC you can mount a strap around the exhaust housing of your kicker and attach the other end to your lift. When the kicker is completely up the strap should be tight which is putting down pressure on the motor. Panther sells this strap kit as an accessary but it has a weak plastic snap connector that will break under to much loading. Save yourself some money and buy everything at your local hardware store.
Hope this helps.


tcfishing

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I do believe the dvs id dual counsel. As for the question about rpm on 200 hp, I have evenrude 200ho no jack plate. The prop that came with the boat was a 4 blade add didn't even bring the rpm up to 5000. I bought a 3 blade 19pitch and my rpm's run about 5600 if I push it. I talked to good friend who is a marine engine guy and he says that these have a rev limiter set at 6000. I don't know if I want to find that out for myself but he did say runig at 5600 will not hurt it. (but I run it at 5500 just to make me fell better)

ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


2 stroke direct injection

or

4-stroke

what are your thoughts here ?

I know of several advantages to both motors but which one gets the nodd

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Kurt Turner

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Here's the new rig that Karen and I will be enjoying for the next couple years. Can't wait for the ice to melt!

I've heard a few negative comments about having a 4 stroke on a 620. I'll give you my opinion after this summer. Kurt


Kooty

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


What have you heard Kurt? Is it a weight factor or a low end torque issue or a top end issue? Inquiring minds want to know.

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I was born in the 70's, grew up in 80's, made my mistakes in 90's now I'm just trying to make up for lost time.

John


Kurt Turner

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I've been told and heard a whole host of mis-leading information. I don't want to attach names as I take most of what I "hear" with a grain of salt. Some statements are quite dramatic like "Ranger shouldn't even allow 4 strokes." This statement was made regarding the low end difference not being compatible with Rangers design. You've hit the nail on the head with your assumption that "nay sayers" can pretty much cover the gamut when it comes to why I should NOT have purchased and why. It's kind of the American way to boast about whatever your driving, fishing out of, etc and bash everything else until the day you change and then that's the best thing on earth...... I'll wait and see for myself. Watch to see what engine I put on my boat in 2 years. Then people can make up their own mind as to what I preferred. I've owned 3 Yamaha's and I've never had major problems. Running a 225 is exciting for me and I'm sure a whole new ball game. Fish on! Kurt

Kooty

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I've heard similar talk also. I just laugh. Anyone who has ever fished out of a Ranger knows this boat was made to fish. It doesn't fit everyone's needs, but most I'm sure. I don't own one...yet. Unless something else comes along, it will be my next boat. As for Yammie, best motor out there, hands down!!! I have the 115 four banger, couldn't be happier!!! It's funny what rumors go around about boats and motors due to jealousy or lack of knowledge. Thanks for sharing your opinion!!

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I was born in the 70's, grew up in 80's, made my mistakes in 90's now I'm just trying to make up for lost time.

John


Ted Merdan

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Kurt - nice rig, that engine is very reliable and strong in my opinion.

I am putting a 4 stroke Yamaha on my rig this year without hesitation and it's a brand new engine for 2005 - my choice.

If you want a fast boat on flat water look at another brand - Ranger doesn't build the fastest boats becasue they know this doesn't win tournaments. Having a boat that will hold together, you don't have to fight all day and that's high with 'fishability' features is what wins tournaments. How often do you get to run flat out anyawys? Even in flat calm on Erie out of Cleveland last summer we were hitting currents that were causing waves and I couldn't trim it up and let it rip - it does idle along at 45 mph nicely though.

my $.02

ted


ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


So 4-Strokes have slower out of the hole and lower top end speed

and 2 strokes have both hole shot and top end speed right ?

How about fuel economy ?

HPDI vs 4-Stroke ?

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Toad

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Ecnook,you will love a 620. Had a 1999, 2002, and now just ordered a 621 last week. Had a T-8 on the 620's, and
putting a T-8 on the 621. Best kicker out there. Do alot of fishing on the big ponds, and it handles the 620 perfect. Did alot of research on the T-8 for my 621, and going with the T-8 there also. Going with the kicker on the port side
this time, and yes these are remote kickers.
Had my Lowrance electronics on Ram mounts on the 620, two side by side on the dash, worked great.
Putting two Lowrance units on my 621, but they have the 10"
screens, so I need to fiqure out how to mount them to my liking on the dash.
One other thing Ecnook, do some shopping around, priced out
four dealers, prices ranged from 62K to 55K for a 621 same options. Two were priced out with Verado's, the other's with 225HO E-Tec's. One dealer in Iowa, 3 in Minnesota. Two in the cities, one in Rochester. Hard to beat the dealer in Rochester, going on boat #2 there.
Just my 2 cents, Ranger's are hard to beat, my 621 is my 6th one.


ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Thanks Toad !!

that is some good news...as I was going to go with the T-8 myself...I have one now on my Lund and it's a sweet unit to say the least...

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ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I've been playing

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Gianni

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Very nice Dave, when are you giving rides?

Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Dave, I spend a lot of hours in the "finish shop" designing my future boats. I just got the call that my boat shipped yesterday I may just have it done for the first tournament April 1st. I will get a picture up as soon as I get to see it.

Ted Merdan

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Scott - did you hear that from Kimberly Gussy? I am trying to get my boat on the next truck also.

Toad - I will be mounting an X110c and GM6500c on the dash of my 621 once I get it - I can send you some digitals if you like.

econook - where are the blues in that confuiguration? J/K that looks great!


Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


LOL, every day Ted. I have been calling her daily. Yesterday she said my boat was loaded and moving out. If yours was done, I am sure it is on the same truck.

ecnook

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


ooooo boy...I don't know....

ya know...I'm just not into all the sparklies

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Edited by ecnook (03/16/05 11:54 AM)


Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Throw a 225 ETEC HO on the back of that one and make the interior white with Mica carpet and you are very close to my boat

Ted Merdan

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


great - you should be easy to spot then... !

Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


I tried to get it camoflage but they didn't offer that color combo

Scott Steil

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


OK, I had to. This is what mine should look like.

dave horton

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


alright guys, you sure know how to make a person green, oops, red, silver, blue, sparklies,... with envy

I hope your rigs arrive soon, thay look like mighty sweet rides

I guess I'll have to go play on that website too.

dave


Stick Boy

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Thats a good looking rig scott. Should look good behind the red truck. I still like last years colors better.

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Ph. 612-685-3566




Old Coot

Re: Ranger 619 and 620VS owners


Ecnook,

I had a 619 with dual counsel for several years. It was a great boat and handled water great. My only complaint with the 619 was it was a little slow as compared with the 620's with the 225s'. Last summer I up-graded to a 621 with full windsheild. I love this boat! With a 250XS it cooks right along. It too, handles rough water very well. I have speared a wave also, and it wasn't pleasent. It wasn't the boats fault, it was me not taking my time in some very serious conditions. We made it, and I learned an important lesson. These boats are so sturdy and ride so well, one can easily get over confident in very rough conditions.

I have a global map 3300c and a X-19c on the council, a x-125 on the bow and x-125 at the stern. To get everything to fit on the council I used RAM mounts and was able to adjust them so there in the right spots. I mounted a CD player to the right of the steering wheel and a VHF radio below and on the right hand side of the council. I am using a T-8 kicker and love it. These motors absoluteley run great. It can be a little akward back trolling, but with a drift sock out the front it isn't bad. I use a removable steering arm to the big motor and a troll master remote throttle when trolling cranks. This system has worked well for me. When I had the 619, I had the kicker set up for remote operation only. I found this to be a bit restrictive and backtrolling was tough. With the current set-up, I have the best of both worlds. The other option would be a goldeneye remote steer.

IMHO you can't go wrong with a Ranger. I would go with the 620 or 621 over the 619.

As far as 4 stroke vs 2 stroke I still recommend 2-stroke. More power, and often top end. Also, fuel economy is often as good as a 4 stroke, except at very low rpm. Bass and Walleye magazine had a very good comparison in the February or March issue. It turns out the 250XS actually got slightly better mpg than the 250 Verado. The XS is a heck of alot cheaper than the verado and much lighter. Everyone keeps preaching fuel economy and I think it just isn't true. When you get one of these big, heavy walleye boats going it takes power and power needs fuel and doesn't matter what you have they are all gas hogs.

Good luck with your boat shopping and I hope you end up with a Ranger, you will never regret it.

Old Coot


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