Chris Tuckner
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New for 2008
• The all-season deer and multi-zone buck licenses have been eliminated. Hunters can now purchase 3 stand-alone licenses (archery, firearm, and muzzleloader).
• The traditional firearm zone licenses (1A, 2A, 3A, 3B, 4A, 4B) have been consolidated into two licenses types: Statewide Season Option A and Late-Season Season Option B. o Statewide “A”: Valid in any open area during the Statewide A Season, which begins November 8th, or o Season 3B: Valid only during the traditional 3B season in southeastern Minnesota, which begins November 22nd
• Zone 4 has been eliminated and the permit areas have been moved to Zone 2 and renumbered. • All firearm deer hunters may now buy a muzzleloader license (including southeast 3B hunters).
• The centerfire cartridge restriction has been simplified. All centerfire cartridges .220 or greater are legal for big game hunting. NOTE – The Rifle/Shotgun line has NOT changed.
• Hunters no longer need to validate their deer license at the time of kill. The site tagging requirements have not changed, only the license validation portion.
• A person 10 or 11 years old may hunt big game provided they are in direct supervision of a parent or guardian.
• The deer baiting regulations have been clarified.
More on this at IDO Hunting.
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Dave Barber
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I saw that too.. kicking myself in the  for selling my .223 a year and a half ago.
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Clarence Chapman
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ok let me get this straight on the second bullet point.
If I buy an "A" license than I can hunt anywhere "A" season is open?
Can someone clarify this better?
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Chris Tuckner
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Exactly Clarence! That means we can hunt up north on the weekends, and in Hastings after work during the week!  I have been lobbying for this for YEARS!  Same thing with the muzzle loader license. We used to have to choose 1 or the other. I am Soooooo pumped I might just go out and buy a muzzle loader tomorrow! 
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Jami Ritter
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I'm due for a smoke pole myself... 
When do you want to run? I've got my eye on one right now, just have to go pick it up.
Jami
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Chris Tuckner
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Just remembered I got the boss and his posse in town this week.  Tonight would have been the night to go, but had the TLO. 
Next Tuesday we are going to Hudson Rod and Gun Club to sight in 4 rifles. You are welcome to come shoot with Roni and me. 
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Steve Plantz
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Exactly Clarence! That means we can hunt up north on the weekends, and in Hastings after work during the week! I have been lobbying for this for YEARS! Same thing with the muzzle loader license. We used to have to choose 1 or the other. I am Soooooo pumped I might just go out and buy a muzzle loader tomorrow!
We use to be able to do this with the All Season Licence, now if a guy wants to hunt all three seasons bow, shot gun & muzzle loader it will cost us more $$$$ because we will have to buy all three licences. 
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
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Chris Tuckner
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Exactly Clarence! That means we can hunt up north on the weekends, and in Hastings after work during the week! I have been lobbying for this for YEARS! Same thing with the muzzle loader license. We used to have to choose 1 or the other. I am Soooooo pumped I might just go out and buy a muzzle loader tomorrow!
We use to be able to do this with the All Season Licence, now if a guy wants to hunt all three seasons bow, shot gun & muzzle loader it will cost us more $$$$ because we will have to buy all three licences.
Yeah, but under my scenario you can do it for $26 if that is all you want to do. You don't have to spend $80 or whatever it was to do it. Now for $26 each, you can buy what you want. And you can buy all the management and intensive harvest permits. 
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Steve Plantz
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Exactly Clarence! That means we can hunt up north on the weekends, and in Hastings after work during the week! I have been lobbying for this for YEARS! Same thing with the muzzle loader license. We used to have to choose 1 or the other. I am Soooooo pumped I might just go out and buy a muzzle loader tomorrow!
We use to be able to do this with the All Season Licence, now if a guy wants to hunt all three seasons bow, shot gun & muzzle loader it will cost us more $$$$ because we will have to buy all three licences.
Yeah, but under my scenario you can do it for $26 if that is all you want to do. You don't have to spend $80 or whatever it was to do it. Now for $26 each, you can buy what you want. And you can buy all the management and intensive harvest permits.
Chris if you hunt the gun season and the muzzle loader season that will cost you $52 you get one tag with each licence each only good for there own season now add $13 for each management tag you want, if you buy 2 management tags now you at $78. With the All Season you got one buck tag and two management tags and all three of these tags were good for all three seasons for about the same amout of $$, for me it was a better deal.
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
Edited by Steve Plantz (08/19/08 10:07 PM)
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Chris Tuckner
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Not everyone does that. Now for $26, the average hunter who may not do all that can do it under their normal deer license.
And if you do hunt all seasons, the price is about the same, right?
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Steve Plantz
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Right for the guy who just hunts the gun season only this is a good deal for them
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Chris Tuckner
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How much was the "All Season License" of years past?
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Steve Plantz
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I believe it was $78
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Chris Tuckner
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I believe it was $78
So basically you are saying the same thing, right? Only you are buying 3 licenses instead of one. (?) I believe this is a great deal for those who may not muzzleload hunt or bow hunt. Now they can do for $26 what they would have had to pay $78 to do before if they wanted to gun hunt only up north and down home. And the "All Season" license is now three different tags for the same price. And the hunter can choose which they want. I like it.
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Steve Plantz
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We are on the same page for the guy who wants to hunt only one or two of the seasons it is a good deal.
For the guy who hunts all three season and wants to buy one or more managemet tags so they can save there buck tag for a wall hanger it is going to cost us more money.
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
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Chris Tuckner
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We are on the same page for the guy who wants to hunt only one or two of the seasons it is a good deal.
For the guy who hunts all three season and wants to buy one or more managemet tags so they can save there buck tag for a wall hanger it is going to cost us more money.
Huh? Did you not have to buy IH or Management tags in order to save your buck tag before? I am confused. You are/were only allowed 1 buck per year, regardless of license, correct?
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Steve Plantz
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No with the All Season you got three tags one buck and two management tags so you could shoot one buck and two does or three does all for $78. If I want to do the same thing this year I will have to buy all three + two management tags will cost me $104.
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
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Chris Tuckner
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No with the All Season you got three tags one buck and two management tags so you could shoot one buck and two does or three does all for $78. If I want to do the same thing this year I will have to buy all three + two management tags will cost me $104.
You can still shoot a doe with your bow...you can still shoot a doe with your rifle...you can still shoot a doe with your muzzleloader...or a buck with one of them. Therefore you have two management tags basically, right?
Same price as last year.
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Steve Plantz
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I am not 100 percent sure on this but if I shoot a doe with my bow I will need to use a managment tag if I use the regular tag I will not be able to shoot a buck during any of the seasons. Same is true for any of the seasons if I want to save the regular tag for a buck I will need to buy a managment tag.
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
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Reever 1
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Any one have any expierence with the 223 on deer? Could,t find many if any loads with over 1000lbs of energy at 200 yards semms a little week to me.
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Chris Tuckner
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Exactly Clarence! That means we can hunt up north on the weekends, and in Hastings after work during the week! I have been lobbying for this for YEARS!
At any rate...I am happy for this for $26.
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Chris Tuckner
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Given the fact that we could use a .410 with slugs...I don't see this as being too much of an issue in MN. Is it the optimum round? No. But hey, the military uses it to shoot people. Bad analogy, but true. The .22-250 is allowed as is the .222 Swift.
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Kooty
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This state can sure screw up the easiest things. Man, I've yet to deer hunt here in part due to the regs being so screwed up.
A .223 round is more than sufficient for knocking down any deer out to 300 yards. After that, I'd be suspect of any shots. I can't believe the .222 was legal, but not this caliber. Again, MN regs. 
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Chris Tuckner
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Boy, 300 is pretty liberal. It does open up opportunities for some different guns...but I wonder what their thinking was behind it?
Not slamming anything...just curious. I was a sniper for 10 years in the ARNG and even back then we used .308's for that practice up into the late 80's. Well after the .223 was established as the everyday gun of the US Armed Forces. The thought then was that the .223 after 200 was weak and unreliable for sniping. Now throw it in the hands of someone who may not pick up a rifle more than a couple times per year...?
But that being said, the venerable 30-30 is not a long range gitter either, but there is no debate that particular gun has taken it's share of deer. The .223 in a 55 grain may be a good close-in gun. The jury is still out for me on this one. Will I use mine for deer? Don't think so. My .270 is so deadly accurate out to 300 yards...I don't see any need for it.
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Kooty
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You'll get no arguments from me, 270 vs. 223, everyday the 270. However, growing up in flat country, I've shot deer with everything from 223, 22-250, 243, 270, 30-06. My all time fav is the 22-250. Fast as heck, hardly have to lead a deer under 200 yards if they are on the move. Which they always are out there...and usually hustling. It's also nothing to have that 300 yard shot out there vs. around "here".
You'd be surprised how those little calibers will fold up a deer running 3/4 throttle. Around here, I want more killem' where they stand power. Running off 50-100 yards can be a long drag in a swamp.  Could kill us fat kids. 
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Chris Tuckner
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I have no doubt that in SD that would be the case...and even in western MN she opens up pretty good. I guess my observations are personal.
Steve Plantz...I did some more checking after your comments about the Management zones...and each license "Stands Alone" so you can shoot a doe with the bow, and another with the muzzleloader, and with the rifle in uncontrolled doe permit areas. Otherwise an Intensive Harvest Permit is required for zones where they are required.
License types:
• Regular Archery: May take one deer of either sex without applying in the lottery.
• Regular Firearms: May take a buck in the deer area but must apply for an either-sex permit through the lottery system if interested in taking an antlerless deer. The application deadline is Sept. 4, 2008. If successful in the lottery, the bag limit is one deer of either sex.
• Regular Muzzleloader: May take one deer of either sex without applying in the lottery if they do not buy a firearm license. Hunters who purchase both a firearm and muzzleloader license must apply in the lottery. Either-sex permits are valid during the firearm and muzzleloader seasons; however, hunters must have a valid license for that season.
The only hitch is the Intensive Harvest or Management tags and zones where they can be used. But according to the "Stands Alone" comment...am I to take it as you can shoot 3 bucks? One with each tag?
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Erick
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Tuck, In areas without the management or intensive harvest available you can buy a tag for EACH season but may only harvest 1 deer total....areas with managment and Intensive can harvest however many with choice of weapon depending on the limit allowed
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Chris Tuckner
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Erick, that is how it used to be, and I looked for that stipulation. In it's place it says "Each license stands alone" and gives the bag limit for each license.
I will gladly eat my words if you find it stated differently. I am far from an expert on MN DNR Regs!
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Clarence Chapman
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Ok maybe if someone sees the CO this weekend they can ask. Or maybe call the DNR and let everyone know.
Thanks
I would do it but I am working for a couple of days and it sounds like this should get settled.
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"Though you cannot go back and make a brand new start, my friend.
Anyone can start from now and make a brand new end."
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Steve Plantz
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But according to the "Stands Alone" comment...am I to take it as you can shoot 3 bucks? One with each tag?
No you can not shoot three bucks, from the MN Hand book page 67......
STATEWIDE BAG LIMITS FOR DEER
An individual hunter may only tag one legal buck per year, without exception. Note: Although hunters can now buy all 3 licenses, the bag limits may not allow all 3 tags to be filled. It is the hunter’s responsibility to know the bag limit for the areas they hunt.
This was my point Chris for the guy who wants to hold out for a trophy buck and still be able to shoot does you will have to have extra tags in you pocket, if you use your regular tag from any license on a doe you are done buck hunting for the year.
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
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Steve Plantz
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If you hunt both gun and muzzle loader you are going to pay at least $52 and that's not counting extra tags
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Exactly Clarence! That means we can hunt up north on the weekends, and in Hastings after work during the week! I have been lobbying for this for YEARS!
At any rate...I am happy for this for $26.
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Steve Plantz ~ IDO Management Team
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Chris Tuckner
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THAT'S what I was looking for.
They oughta work on thier verbage when they say "Each license stands alone" and offer a bag limit!
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Chris Tuckner
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Question, Wouldn't this help you three season die hards out?:
License Purchase and Validity
"All deer licenses (archery, firearms, muzzleloader) may be purchased at any time before or during the season.However, a license purchased on or after the day the respective season opens is not valid until the second day after the day it is issued (for example, a license issued on Saturday would not be valid until Monday). A “day” means midnight to midnight. The “respective season” refers to the first season for which the license is valid. The exceptions are bonus, early antlerless, and disease management permits, which are valid when issued if the appropriate regular license is valid."
It used to be you couldn't buy a rifle license after the start of the season. Now you wouldn't have to put the money out in advance to buy a tag, unless you wanted does in that season. You could spend $26 now...and buy tags as you need them.
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Chris Tuckner
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If you hunt both gun and muzzle loader you are going to pay at least $52 and that's not counting extra tags
Trying to find a silver lining for you die hards...Say your buck of a lifetime comes when you are bow hunting...or gun hunting. You tag him....You can make the choice at that time whether or not to buy a muzzleloader license, right? Saving you $. If you want to shoot a doe with your gun tag or bow tag, they are half price, right?
And you don't have to put out $78 up front.
OK, I'll quit now. 
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Steve Plantz
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If you hunt both gun and muzzle loader you are going to pay at least $52 and that's not counting extra tags
Trying to find a silver lining for you die hards...Say your buck of a lifetime comes when you are bow hunting...or gun hunting. You tag him....You can make the choice at that time whether or not to buy a muzzleloader license, right? Saving you $. If you want to shoot a doe with your gun tag or bow tag, they are half price, right?
And you don't have to put out $78 up front.
OK, I'll quit now.
You are right Chris and that is what I plan on doing buying one license at a time just before each season opens
Even if I shoot my wall hanger during bow season I will still buy the gun & muzzle loader license because I love this sport so much, but here is the part that sucks with the above scenario....... I shot my wall hanger with my bow but I am still going to hunt the gun & muzzle loader season, now my regular gun tag is no good so to shoot any deer I either have to party hunt or buy a management tag or a intensive tag, same goes for muzzle loader season.
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Gary
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As long as us Z3 folks can keep hunting during the prime of the rut, I'm happy.......right Steve?
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Chris Tuckner
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You are referring to the last week of October, right?
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Steve Plantz
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I am not even going to go there 
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As long as us Z3 folks can keep hunting during the prime of the rut, I'm happy.......right Steve?
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Gary
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As long as us Z3 folks can keep hunting during the prime of the rut, I'm happy.......right Steve?
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Clarence Chapman
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So why do they have the 3B zone. Is that just a later season that people can take and shoot either sex? Admittedly I have not read the regs yet.
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Clarence Chapman
"Though you cannot go back and make a brand new start, my friend.
Anyone can start from now and make a brand new end."
(John C. Maxwell, Developing the Leader Within You)
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Steve Plantz
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So why do they have the 3B zone. Is that just a later season that people can take and shoot either sex? Admittedly I have not read the regs yet.
The main difference in season A & season B is season A is State wide and season B is south east MN, also SE MN has a higher population of deer than the rest of the state, my guess is that the reason for the second season is an attempt to thin the heard. From page 63 of the MN regs handbook...........
Regular firearm license – A regular firearm deer hunter may
purchase either a Statewide (A) or Late Southeast (B) Season license.
Statewide (A) licenses are valid in all areas that open on Nov. 8 and
Late Southeast (B) Season licenses are valid only during the traditional
3B season. The hunter’s choice will be printed on the license.
• Both Statewide (A) and Late Southeast (B) Season licenses are valid
in the bovine TB area (101), the metro (601), and any area open
to early season antlerless hunting (page 76).
• The license is valid for either sex deer in any managed or intensive
area or in a lottery area if successful in the lottery.
Link to MN Deer Hunting Regs
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Clarence Chapman
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Thanks Steve
That seems pretty clear to me
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Clarence Chapman
"Though you cannot go back and make a brand new start, my friend.
Anyone can start from now and make a brand new end."
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Jack Naylor
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any expierence with the 223 on deer
as in any deer hunting, bullet placement is the most important,
a 223, might be a light load, but with little recoil, jumpy shooters will be more steady in their shooting.
You would also NOT be able to shoot through any brush, as it just does not have the coefficient to stay straight, or to stay together.
the lightest I'd be comfortable with is a .243.
my deer rifle is the .270 with 130 grain boat tail, in a homeload. Very consistent, great rifle and load.
Jack
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perchhead
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I thought that this was a discussion about the .22 caliber bullets being legal to hunt big game! Personaly they are too weak for big game! Why do I say this? I base this on almost 10 years of loading centerfire ammunition for a living! My main reason is that these loads in .22 calber do not have the sectional density to do the job! Reason #2 most of these loads are only available in full metal jackets which do not expand and only pass through and are designed for shooting varmints and if you think the big three will make a bullet for big game in the calibers you are wrong because there will not be enough demand for it. Our state legislature should not be making such irresponsible decisions such as making these and the 30 carbine and the 7.62x 39 a legal big game cartridge!
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Clarence Chapman
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Just bought my lic on line.
No question if you did it right as long as you know what area you want to shoot does in. Super easy.
This should be fun!!!
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Clarence Chapman
"Though you cannot go back and make a brand new start, my friend.
Anyone can start from now and make a brand new end."
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Jason Sullivan
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So why do they have the 3B zone. Is that just a later season that people can take and shoot either sex? Admittedly I have not read the regs yet.
The main difference in season A & season B is season A is State wide and season B is south east MN, also SE MN has a higher population of deer than the rest of the state, my guess is that the reason for the second season is an attempt to thin the heard. From page 63 of the MN regs handbook...........
Regular firearm license – A regular firearm deer hunter may
purchase either a Statewide (A) or Late Southeast (B) Season license.
Statewide (A) licenses are valid in all areas that open on Nov. 8 and
Late Southeast (B) Season licenses are valid only during the traditional
3B season. The hunter’s choice will be printed on the license.
• Both Statewide (A) and Late Southeast (B) Season licenses are valid
in the bovine TB area (101), the metro (601), and any area open
to early season antlerless hunting (page 76).
• The license is valid for either sex deer in any managed or intensive
area or in a lottery area if successful in the lottery.
Link to MN Deer Hunting Regs
This was published in the FAQ section:
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Q: Why are the southeast Minnesota seasons managed differently?
A: The reason they have different designations is that only 3B license holders can hunt that season. There is no overlap between statewide A or 3B hunters. Why? As 3B is the last firearm season, there is concern from local hunters and landowners that private land will be inundated with out-of-area hunters. Consequently, there is high opposition to allowing all hunters to participate in 3B.
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Steve Plantz
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Thanks Sully I had not seen that
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New MN Deer Regs! .223 now legal!
