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Work hard developing hunting land - 500 acres of big deer, grouse and some bears. Great cover.
1.) Food Plots
2.) Cover
3.) Winter Feeding during heavy snow years.
Several huge bucks have come off the property.
Now, sit in the stand - hmmm - quiet. Oh no, there is a timber wolf - then there are three. No deer. No little deer, no does, nothing.
Gut piles from earlier hunts, last year, gone in an evening.
What to do?
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I heard a rumor that a lot of guys that lost their dogs this last year bought E-callers and suddenly got into predator hunting..... 
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As they say in the western states, "Shoot, Shovel & Shut Up".
Not sure what the answer is regarding yotes and timbers, but our deer hunting success has been declining as well the last few years.
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Ralph Wiggum
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As they say in the western states, "Shoot, Shovel & Shut Up".
I think it's terrible that you'd promote this. I hope you really don't feel this way. 
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Timmy
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If Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming combined have about 1500 or so wolves and they allow hunting seasons on them, then why on earth would MN not allow a season when we have 3000+ distributed over roughly half of the state.
Tim
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As they say in the western states, "Shoot, Shovel & Shut Up".
I think it's terrible that you'd promote this. I hope you really don't feel this way.
It is not hard to think this way at all after you have seen your Bear dogs attacked or even worse eatin' while hunting
The wolf population has stepped way out of bounds. If the DNR counted wolfs like they count deer there would be an open season them
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Same situation for us. We had over 700 man hours combined this season. Saw a total of 7 deer over 1000 acres. Saw way more wolves than deer. Wolves are a problem in this state. In WI lots of dogs were lost during the fall bear hunt. If you have the dogs carcus and can prove a wolf kill, the government will write you a $2500 check for your dog loss!
There was an interesting article in the outdoor news a couple of weeks ago on the MN moose population. Global warming was rulled out, and wolf population was one of the major contributors.
Wolves are fine to have in MN, BUT thier population needs to be kept in balance. Right now IMO there are WAY too many, and the number the DNR published for the "true popluation" is not even close.
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trophy19
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Two philosophical questions:
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There are no restrictions on taking yotes in MN as they are expanding quickly through MN & WI and are becoming a big problem for farmers and upsetting the "equilibrium" of wildlife in the state, including deer. I've seen them in Maple Grove, Osseo and outstate. Is it OK to take the life of a yote? Is it OK to shoot a pheasant, duck or catch a panful of fish? Where do you draw the line if it's not ok to shoot a wolf?
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I'm not advocating or promoting anything, but there is a problem out there that will have to be addressed at some point in time. Wolves crossed the Yellowstone Park borders and are impacting livestock, elk and deer in WY and MT.
There were bounties on wolves years ago, might be again if they become a big enough problem. DNR's & the Feds did their best to perpetuate the wolf species in the wild, but we weren't smart enough to make them sit and lay down where we wanted them to. So how does "man" control this problem? I sure don't have the answers.....
Personally, I'm grateful for misquito control in the 7 County Metro Area. I'll draw the line there as being acceptable mortality there.
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As the good book says: " Lazy is the man that can't find his wife a second job."
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They will never have a season for wolves in MN. this is THE research area for the country. I too have my issues. I harvested a bear this year and with in 1.5hrs of shooting it. Im was at the recoverd bear with help and the wolves ate it very little left. So much for the rug I had been waiting for! 
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Jeff Jerry
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I heard rumor that in Wisconsin there are two problems that are contributing to reduced numbers of deer: wolves and bear. Wolves year round and bear in the spring when the does are fawning. There are folks out there that have trail camera pictures of bear in the spring running by the cameras with fawns in their mouths. Just rumors though. And on the shoot, shovel, and shut up: whether someone states it or not I know it is happening out there.
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smithkeith
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I heard that some of the wolves have transmitters or chips in them. If so, better be careful where to bury it. One the other hand, I have heard some are being shot and thrown in rivers. 
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Shew
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Few quick links that might help shed light on the issue. I myself would LOVE to see a season on them.
Judge Friedman
Makes you wonder if this does not have some behind the scenes help to get around our constitutional right to hunt here in Mn. (just throwing it out there.)
Wolf hunting or lack of.
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they are a huge problem. after not seeing any deer last year and hardly any the year before it gets very frustrating. plus when you see more wolve tracks than deer tracks then you know there is a huge problem. there has to be something done about this but all the people who want them protected dont have to live with them or even know anything about them. i definately know there are people shooting them.
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Ralph Wiggum
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Whether or not they are a problem is not the issue. The issue I have is promoting an illegal act on a public forum. Say that walleye were causing me a headache by stealing my flathead bait. If I were to make a serious post suggesting that we all toss as many walleyes on shore as we could, I'd catch a whole lot of hell.
If wolves are causing problems (I don't know, I'm not a hunter), it's up to you, if you call yourself a sportsman, to take it to the DNR and present your case. Taking the law into your own hands is not okay.
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Shew
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Whether or not they are a problem is not the issue. The issue I have is promoting an illegal act on a public forum. Say that walleye were causing me a headache by stealing my flathead bait. If I were to make a serious post suggesting that we all toss as many walleyes on shore as we could, I'd catch a whole lot of hell.
If wolves are causing problems (I don't know, I'm not a hunter), it's up to you, if you call yourself a sportsman, to take it to the DNR and present your case. Taking the law into your own hands is not okay.
So what your saying is you can get a good look at a T bone by sticking you head up a......
Just kidding. Yes To say shoot them is not the answer. A group of people on Predator masters have worked to change a few laws here in Minnesota to make predator hunting safe. Working with a group like this may help in getting the wolf numbers controlled the right way.
Predator Masters
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Randy W
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If wolves are causing problems (I don't know, I'm not a hunter), it's up to you, if you call yourself a sportsman, to take it to the DNR and present your case. Taking the law into your own hands is not okay.
I stated what I know to be happening...NOT what to do. Yes, it could be viewed as promoting it, and I see your point on that. However, I am an ACTIVE sportsman here in WI. I get get very PO'd when I read of the issues pertaining to public opinions when at the spring, fall, and special hearings, there are only a handful of poeople showing up. I was sick to my stomach with grief when the ruling was handed down to "re" protect the wolves here in WI. I had one of the best known wolf trappers in WI in my family until his death a month ago. I looked so much forward to the opportunity to trap a wolf with him. The freak'n anti's took away any hope of ever fullfilling that opportunity. In part, because there were nearly no one attending and speaking up at the hearings. I agree with most that the conservation congress is a very bias group. But when enough public input is given, they do listen. So, long story short...we are our own worst enemy.
The DNR says wolves are not established in Richland County, WI. I called in two last year while predator hunting. Neighbor has lost a couple of heffers to wolves. DNR says coyotes???? I saw the tracks first hand, I trap 40 to 60 coyotes a year and shoot another 30 to 50. I know a coyote track because I live, sleep and exist for hunting them. A coyote did not kill my neighbors cattle. Wolf!
Until people show up at the hearings demanding to be heard, present the facts with proof...it will just continue to be status quo.
Another minor detail contributing to the decline of whitetail is the over harvest of does. We have allowed the DNR to set quotas the will deminish deer populations to less than 10 deer per square mile. The look at the CWD zone and you get
"Within the Disease Eradication Zone, the stated goal is depopulation of all wild
deer within approximately 4.5 miles of any positive animal. Although, the DNR
recognizes total depopulation of wild deer in the affected area is unlikely, this goal
strongly indicates the intention of the DNR to reduce the deer population density to a
level at which CWD cannot be maintained. Because this threshold density is unknown
and because CWD is maintained in low-density wild cervid populations in some western
states, attempts to depopulate the Disease Eradication Zone are appropriate."
This recomendation was brought to you by the following External Comittee
Program Review Panel Members
John R. Fischer, Southeastern Cooperative Wildlife Disease Study, College of Veterinary
Medicine, The University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia
Lynn H. Creekmore, Veterinary Services, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service,
United States Department of Agriculture, Fort Collins, Colorado
R. Larry Marchinton, Warnell School of Forest Resources, The University of Georgia,
Athens, Georgia
Shawn J. Riley, Department of Fisheries and Wildlife, Michigan State University, East
Lansing, Michigan
Stephen M. Schmitt, Wildlife Disease Laboratory, Michigan Department of Natural
Resources, East Lansing, Michigan
Elizabeth S. Williams, Department of Veterinary Sciences, University of Wyoming,
Laramie, Wyoming
I hope to see everyone at thje next scheduled hearing...
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Lifetime member Wisconsin Trappers Assoc.
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Say that walleye were causing me a headache by stealing my flathead bait. If I were to make a serious post suggesting that we all toss as many walleyes on shore as we could, I'd catch a whole lot of hell.
Very well put Ralph. 
Like the guy that has 75 walleye in his freezer at home, just because he can catch them and has a market to sell them does not make it right. Killing an animal and throwing it in the river or bury it might make you feel better thinking that you are saving the deer but you really are not going to keep up by yourself. Work with the DNR to get the laws changed so many people can work to thin the population. Don't risk your privelidge to hunt.
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Jeff Jerry
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Whether or not they are a problem is not the issue. The issue I have is promoting an illegal act on a public forum. Say that walleye were causing me a headache by stealing my flathead bait. If I were to make a serious post suggesting that we all toss as many walleyes on shore as we could, I'd catch a whole lot of hell.
If wolves are causing problems (I don't know, I'm not a hunter), it's up to you, if you call yourself a sportsman, to take it to the DNR and present your case. Taking the law into your own hands is not okay.
I'm not necessarily condoning it I just know it is happening out there.
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Met a future brother in-law from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan last weekend. They have a $100 dollar bounty per wolf in place up there. The wolves still find a way to flourish with that in place. People are dealing with a decreased moose population up there as a result of the wolves. He said that many people lose their dogs by having a wolf lure them out into the woods where the pack was lying in wait. He also had a few stories where wolves were basically hunting him...  ...change underwear immediately...  I don't blame the wolf for this...it is their natural instinct to hunt and kill. They are probably one of the best hunters on the continent!!
I know many landowners that won't let you hunt on their land anymore if you don't shoot any and all coyotes if seen. The wolf population will continue to grow because I don't see any chance of the states making changes in policy. What I do see happening is continued expansion of territories for wolf packs until, someday, they will cover all of Minnesota and Wisconsin... That will be the day when I start carrying a pistol, for protection, to go bow hunting. 
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There will NEVER be wolf hunting in the midwest due to environmental group pressures and threats of lawsuits. Unfortunately on a lot of these subjects, lawyers make the rules and the threat of a lawsuit is as good or better than science.
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How much control does the state have over them right now? Were't wolves put back on a federal list some time back, but since the they'd been moved down from endangered?
This is a public forum and I guess what gets suggested here should maybe culled a bit to reflect what this site stands for. What you think off here is your business.
In years past I hunted bear and have indeed taken a few. I quit because shooting one over its dinner just didn't seem sporting any more. Running bears with dogs is like chasing drunks with a jeep. I don't see much ethic in that either, but to each his own.
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Why do the environmental groups get their way...because they attend meetings and such and voice their opinion, and they do it in numbers, something hunters have yet to do very well it seems.
Also suggesting to do a illegal act on a public forum isn't helping the cause any.
Saying you just "heard it" is a cop out, I doubt anybody missed the innuendo here.
Shooting wolves illegally is no better than catching fish out of season.
If there's a problem with wolf's, get people together with facts and confront the same people the environmentalists are going after, the squeakiest wheel usually gets the grease first.
imho
Al
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Timmy
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I honestly feel that there is little to no chance that a wolf season will happen in MN in the foreseeable future. If we haven’t had one yet, even with the population bursting like it is, I don’t see it happening. Since it isn’t going to happen – I hope that lots more people choose to drop the hammer when they get the chance. Personally, I won’t due to my overwhelming fear of getting caught. I have terrible luck, so I am afraid to chance it. But lots of guys aren’t afraid, and I hope they capitalize when they can. It might stir some harsh feelings, but it is reality. Wolves have been getting snuffed for years in the northern part of the state – don’t kid yourselves that they haven’t - and the population has increased during that time. I would like to see that rate increase, not decrease, but that is just me.
Tim
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I'll admit I don't know a lot on the subject and I am not a hunter ( I have no reason not to, I just have not ever done it). But I grew up on a dairy farm in WI and saw many coyotes back then. I have several friends that hunt and have had run ins with both species. With the liberal country we live in ( I don't mean to downgrade anyones politcal beliefs), I don't see a wolf season or bounty happening until human death is a result of the problem. Too many people who don't live in the problem trying to say what is right. I know if I infested many man hours training my best friend (dog)and it got eaten, I would have no problem shooting and killing illegally if one came across my land. sorry if that offends some people but it is a completely different subject than walleye poaching IMO.
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Shoot em and make em swim I know hunting parties in th grand rapids area and that is what they do. Ialso know land owners up by black duck that if you do not shoot em they wont let you hunt bears on their property.
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AllenW
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It ain't going to happen till people ban together and make it happen, failing a season how about trying for looser laws on when one can protect themselves from attacks from animals, that would include their livestock and pets??
Do it legally.
For way to many years all I've heard is complaints about this and that, you go to a DNR or political meeting and only a handful show up, speak up or quit batching imho
Atta boy to those who do show up... 
Al
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I was going start taunting you guys and then I remembered you had guns.
As an outsider who doesn't hunt it sounds to me that there is a growing problem. I don't think anything short of a pack of wolves attacking and eating a "environMENTAList's" child is going open up a season or change minds.
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Legally there is nothing you can do. Wild animal have to run their course. Nature will balance out but your never going to have the "preserve like" environment you dream about with lots of wolves present. As mentioned taking the law into your own hands could help but that is risky, not advocated here and never something you should divulge online or to anyone else if you intend to do it..
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The only good wolf is a DEAD wolf
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To bad this attitude is based on ignorance. My deer camp is in the heart of wolf and moose country. Our group shot 5 deer over a couple days (filling all tags) and saw many other deer.
What's that? There are no deer due to wolf populations? Huh, I wonder what's in my freezer then.
I'm all for shooting wolves, LEGALLY. I want the opportunity to purchase a tag and take a big alpha male for my game room. That's why I buy a wolf tag every time I hunt Canada. That won't happen with all this "SSS" and "The only good wolf is a dead wolf" mentality. Lets band together and make a hunting season happen. We did it with doves despite the bunny hugers.
Yes, its terrible about the bear dogs, live stock, and dropping deer numbers. Do your part to document it and submit your documentation to the DNR. Get the media involved if need be.
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This is a really good discussion and I can see where most everyone is coming from.
For the record I've heard a number of stories from the Red Lake area where the DNR gives you the wink wink and looks the other way on shooting wolves. I've even heard of a particular guy that was paid to manage various predators in that area for years. Is all of what I've heard true? Probably not but I've heard the same stories out of more than one person so I assume there has to be some truth?
It's only a matter of time before the wolves get out of hand... some say that's already happened. I for one would love to see a season on them.
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"Walleye, Pike, Muskies & Panfish on Alexandria Area Lakes & Mille Lacs!
Ph# 320-260-9056
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smithkeith
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It will probably take a jogger, hiker or small child to be attacked and killed before someone decides to do something about it.
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ct
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Never in Minnesota has there been a documented, proven case of a wolf attack on a human.
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CT
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smithkeith
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Yet.
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Alyshia Berzyck, of Minnesota, was attacked and killed by a wolf on a chain on June 3, 1989. The wolf tore up her kidney, liver and bit a hole through her aorta. One month later, on July 1, 1989, Peter Lemke, 5, lost 12 inches of his intestine and colon and suffered bites to his stomach, neck, legs, arms and back in another wolf attack in Kenyon, Minnesota.
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Thanks big G for the research, difenently dead if they get close 
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walleye wisdom
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How rapidly are they expanding to other parts of the state? I have yet to see one in Iowa!
I agree to achieve a desired outcome people have to ban together, and if a wolf hunt is the objective, people need to get together with a well presented plan and objective. Shooting wolves just to improve deer hunting won't fly with anyone. Use the "bunny huggers" motives against themselves. Talk about all the pain and suffering the wolves are causing to other animals in the environment. Causing a strain on other species...
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AllenW
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Wolves have a part in the scheme of things when it comes to nature, seems like when ever we change nature to benefit mankind, we end up with problems.
Not enough deer??? maybe explain that to the people who drive down stretches of roads and can't hardly go for more than a day with out seeing deer guts along the side of the road.
If were going after the man killer wolves, why not add Bears to the list, heck I read of a fish that attacked a kid once, maybe remove all fish too??
You find a creature that's attacking your stock, pets, family, etc, I'm all for shooting them, but you want to remove a animal just for more deer??
Not so sure I see the logic there, considering wolves are a part of the ecosystem and they serve a function in nature.
Probably missing something here though.
Al...who wishes he had a stir the pot icon now.... 
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Timber wolf or grey wolf or both?
I know where I deer hunt there have been many many sightings of wolves during all hours of the day all year round. Many people who hunted up there opening weekend swore there were no deer around, however; when I hunted the second weekend, last weekend, I saw many and passed up many and still got two. I think the limits the previous years with the intensive harvest have as much to do with the declined numbers as natural selection. I also know I heard the wolves very close to the farm one evening howling and yipping like I have never heard before and it was spokey close.
If it were legal I would register/apply, whatever method to get a tag, but it's not. I think the mentallity that is out there about, shoot, shovel, shut up is definitly being used, however; is that chance really worth it? I don't think there will ever be a clean cut answer but there will definitly be discusssion.
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Timber wolf and grey wolf are the same critter.
I find it interesting that the long term goal was established at something like 1500 animals in MN to be considered a stable, healthy population. (I may be off on my numbers, as I am going from memory alone here). With the current levels of 3000+, why on earth is a season on them here a taboo subject? Ridiculous.
In my area, I can walk any trail while grouse hunting and find multiple piles of wolf scat - and it is all loaded with deer hair. To be honest, I'll bet the amount of wolf sign to deer sign in my immediate hunting area is more than 2 to 1.
There are MORE than enough of them, and I wish more people would practice the 3 S's. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't for fear of the incredible fines and such - but that is the ONLY reason I wouldn't. If it were not such a huge offense, I'd be a gunner.......
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Alyshia Berzyck, of Minnesota, was attacked and killed by a wolf on a chain on June 3, 1989. The wolf tore up her kidney, liver and bit a hole through her aorta. One month later, on July 1, 1989, Peter Lemke, 5, lost 12 inches of his intestine and colon and suffered bites to his stomach, neck, legs, arms and back in another wolf attack in Kenyon, Minnesota.
Alright....There is no documented incidents of humans being attacked, or killed, by a wild wolf[s], not being held captive in any way. You need to take a trip to Kenyo and see what the area might hold for a wolf. The only way you'd see one there is on a leash or in a cage.
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I know insurance companys have lobbied to get the deer herd reduced because of all the MV/deer accidents. You don't see a lot of MV/wolf accidents so there is another reason it will be hard to get a wolf season. I think there are probably a lot of farmers who because of crop damage from deer and bear, also are taking the law into their own hands.
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To this I'd agree. The thing is though, they don't blow their horn about it or how they'd like to on a public forum.
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You don't need to lobby the DNR or the legislature. That would take to long. Shooting them is not the answer. We can't pick the fish and game laws to follow. Do not dispair... The answer is simple.
Turn over management of the wolf population in MN to Kevin McHale. In no time at all we'll have a manageable docile wolf population. 
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To those who think we should lobby the government about the wolf problem, you may be right.
As the population of the varmints (wolves) grows rapidly, the deer population gets reduced, in return less hunters buy tags due to lack of deer.
When the DNR loses money from their cash cows (deer) then and only then will they take notice.
I have no problem with wolves in the wild, just not in my backyard. They should also not be hindering others during hunting (bear dogs) or interfering with people's livelihood (ranchers). Once that occurs, and it has, they have moved into the pest or nuisance catagory and should be dealt with accordingly.
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If someone kills a wolf, doesn't that make them a poacher?
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That is 100% correct.
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Is there anyone here that has seen any of these pics? I have not, if they were out there I would think that we would have seen them show up here on IDO by now.
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if they were out there I would think that we would have seen them show up here on IDO by now.
Ummm....not everything that goes on in the area shows up on IDO  If you honestly think bears do not eat fawns, try a little research and you will find that they do.
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If someone kills a wolf, doesn't that make them a poacher?
That is 100% correct.
Wrongo. If somebody killed one in self defense, they would not be labled a poacher.
We have more than enough wolves. It is time for a reasonable season to be allowed.
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Wrongo. If somebody killed one in self defense, they would not be labled a poacher.
We have more than enough wolves. It is time for a reasonable season to be allowed.
Tim
I was told by a CO once that if someone shot a mountain lion "in self defense" the person better have scratches on them and the wound on the animal better be consistent with an attack.
Knew a guy who shot a Grizzly in Alaska "in self defense" because he didn't follow the law about bringing the meat out first instead vs. antlers first. Had a Griz on his moose when he went back in for the meat. Those were some hefty fines he ended up paying and almost lost his gun and truck along with his moose.
There a always exceptions to the rule and I understand that. However I tend to not believe what's told to me until all the facts are in.
Example #1, we had a guy have an approximate 10 minute stand off with a mountain lion at 50 feet out in Montana. They both walked away cause he didn't over react and kill the lion.
Example #2, I've had encounters with wolves here in MN, never had the need to "shoot in self defense". I agree with the COs, better have defensive wounds to justify an attack.
Example #3, Had Grizzly bear encounters in British Columbia. A little "barking" and posturing was it. No need to kill that bear.
I believe it's a mind set in some people. I've taken numerous close up shots of rattle snakes. 9 times out of 10, when I showed those pictures to people. I've heard something along the lines of "Did you kill that snake? You should have." No reason to kill that snake or any other of the predators we've ran into. At least in our situations.
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What Ruger states here pretty much sums up the attitude about "required" killing.
Nobody is contesting the fact that there may be too many wolves. Promoting un-ethical killing is the problem in the thread. While many feel as though this isuue is one of state nature, it is the Fed that has the controls in place. No state can supercede the Fed's endangered species act. Anyone feeling as though they have a legitimate issue surrounding these animals should contact their legislators and quit dunning those who have no control. More than anything, the promotion of illegal killing of these animals in an open forum such as this is just wrong and certainly says little for those who urge it and for those who allow it.
Its been stated earlier that people don't get these animals in their back yards....the people are the ones in the animal's yard. How true.
While I can see where the orginal post might cause some alarm, consider this. Anyone who is planting a food plot to attarct deer in an area know the harbor wolves may likely be setting the stage for a wholesale deer kill....the deer will use this food plot because they know the food is there. Deer attract the wolves. Its almost like bear hunting over bait, eh? More than anything with deer though is that they go in cycles....maybe this area is just running low right now. Any healthy deer can outrun any wolf in wooded land and its likely that the ones being found dead from wolves, if it was a wolf, probably wasn't real healthy to start with. Or it could be that clearing the land to plant deer food simply offered the wolves more opportunity.
Wolves go out of their way to avoid humans. They don't want the interaction with man. Sometimes the paths cross, like at our cabin north of Two harbors. We see wolves on occasion on the roads around the area there, even see one now and again in the yard or on one of our trails. We'll find a kill site every once in a while. Its nature, not a reason to go on a shooting spree.
All this crap about shooting these animals without regard for what the laws say can be done hurts what this site stands for. If you have a problem with wolves, prove it to the federal government...the states' have their hands tied. And you can blame that on tree huggers. Maybe youd want to hunt them too.
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Legitimate question.....I am not up on all of the legality if the listing/delisting issues. If Montana and Idaho can open a season on them, can't MN also do that? I was under the impression that it was now a state issue and that our state DNR could implement a regulated season if they wish. In an above post, it is stated that the issue is a federal one. I am not sure what is correct.
As far as promoting the shooting of them, I stand by my comments. I wish more people would shoot....I feel we have too many wolves and I see our DNR doing NOTHING to change that. The more people that do it, the better, IMO.
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As far as promoting the shooting of them, I stand by my comments. I wish more people would shoot....I feel we have too many wolves and I see our DNR doing NOTHING to change that. The more people that do it, the better, IMO. Tim
Well Tim, It's not my place to tell you that you are right or wrong. The courts have already done that. You can make your own decision.
I will tell you that I hope I see you or others like you shooting a wolf or telling the story. I will be the first one to turn you or anyone else in for stealing a resource from me.
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Legitimate question.....I am not up on all of the legality if the listing/delisting issues. If Montana and Idaho can open a season on them, can't MN also do that? I was under the impression that it was now a state issue and that our state DNR could implement a regulated season if they wish. In an above post, it is stated that the issue is a federal one. I am not sure what is correct.
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I'll answer the first half and ignore the deleted portion.
The federal government can declare any aninmal as endangered state by state. Wolves may exist in Minnesota and in North Dakota. The government might declare them endangered in Minnesota and not in North Dakota. Simply because one state may not have an endangered species, it doesn't mean another state won't have the same species listed as endangered.
Its my guess that the wolf will stay endangered as long as sites like this allow rogues such as yourself to talk about and support the illegal killing of the animals, thus creating a shortfall in adequate numbers to support future removal from that list. Just remember now....this is a federal felony if you get caught using them as targets. You'll do your time right up there with the Gauntanamo Arabs, an apt place for lawbreakers.
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Any healthy deer can outrun any wolf in wooded land and its likely that the ones being found dead from wolves, if it was a wolf, probably wasn't real healthy to start with.
Seriously, you honestly beleive that statement? Seriously, you must be joking. If you think the only deer that wolves kill are the weak and old, you really should do some research on this.
Here are a just a couple examples:
#1 Winter time with high snow levels. Wolves can run on to of the snow while deer cannot. Wolves have a clear advantage and target any and all deer.
#2 Wolves hunt in packs right? Yes, I am correct. Wolves run healthy deer to the point of exhaustion and then move in for the easy kill.
There has also been research that shows wolves are also killing for the thrill. They have been taking down deer and then not even eating them.
For all the people on here who think they are better than everyone else because the only opinion that matters is yours. This morning when you woke up you put your pants on the same way I did, one leg at a time. You and your opinion are no better than mine or anybody else's.
You can argue all day about the wolves and how they should not be touched, I can respect your opinion. I also don't plan on trying to change your mind because it isn't going to happen, I realize that.
But, for the people who head up north once a year to join in the great pumpkin army and hunt for deer. You are there a short amount of time and do not see or deal with the reality of a high population of this type of predator and their effects.
My mind is rooted deep with the history of the devastation they have done to the cattle and sheep industry in the past. If allowed history will repeat itself and people will be dealing with them again. Maybe that is a good thing, the government trappers will be back in business. We can start shooting them from planes and baiting and poisoning them again.
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I vaguely remember a video that someone had posted with what people has suspected was "thrill killing" by wolves. I was very interesting and bit eye opening. I don't hunt, and honestly don't know enough to have an educated opinion on the subject. But I certainly think that we can all benefit from the dialogue that has been started if we all approach it with open eyes and ears.
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CT - thanks for the explanation. That clears up a few Q's for me.
Ruger - You will NEVER hear of or see me shooting an endangered species. Like I said before, I have horrid luck and am fearful of the high penalties. I would get caught instantly. The high fines and jail time are serving as an effective deterrent for me, but I am sure there are plenty of people out there that would take the chance, and if I hear about them doing it, I sure as heck will not be calling it in.
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This was in the Chetek WI. paper a couple of weeks ago. It is the remains of a 750 lb, heifer which was eaten in less than 12 hours.
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I got this email. For all the "animal lovers" who say people never see wolves and never come into contact with them is wrong. I personally have seen this many times. these kind of encounters are NOT (I repeat) NOT rare. Happen all the time, they are just not reported! This story is directly from a DNR CO. Not some made up B as in B, S as in S.
The wolves appeared shortly after Scott Wundinich shot and gutted a deer, then climbed back into his stand.
"Four or five, including a pitch-black male, came running out of the woods together,'' recalled Wundinich, 48, of Eveleth, Minn. "I looked to my left and saw three more. There were three or four more on my other side. I was stunned. I yelled and screamed, but they pretty much ignored me. They paced back and forth. They wanted my deer and the gut pile.''
Despite firing several shots to try to scare away the wolves, they lurked, sometimes howling and barking, about 50 yards from Wundinich's stand for 45 minutes.
"I was scared,'' he said. "I've been hunting since I was 12 and I've never seen anything like this. It was a real humbling, eerie feeling.''
Afraid to get down, Wundinich hunkered in his stand until darkness descended on the woods near Lake Vermilion in northeastern Minnesota.
Then, with his rifle still loaded, he cautiously climbed down.
"I could hear them,'' he said.
With a small flashlight in his mouth, he scrambled to his ATV about 120 yards away. "I started it up and drove out of the woods as fast as I could go.''
Wildlife officials say the encounter with wolves was unusual. But Wundinich and others, including some northern Minnesota conservation officers, say such encounters and sightings there are becoming more common.
"I'd say almost 50 percent of the deer camps I've checked have said they've seen wolves,'' said Dan Starr, Department of Natural Resources conservation officer in Tower. "That has increased. They [wolves] are getting pretty bold.''
Said Wundinich: "We have an unmanaged population of wolves in northern Minnesota. They are becoming a problem.''
Dan Stark, a DNR wolf specialist, said he hasn't received more calls about human-wolf encounters. Surveys done in 2007-2008 estimate the state's wolf population at about 3,000. It's unknown if that number has increased since then.
He said Wundinich's experience is unusual because wolves generally don't stand their ground, even with food present.
"I've walked in on wolves feeding, and they scattered,'' he said. But a downed deer could affect their behavior.
"I've had them bark and howl at me, but they seem to keep a certain distance. I probably wouldn't get down from a stand and try to drag the deer off.''
Wolf attacks in North America on humans are extremely rare. But that didn't ease Wundinich's mind when he was in his stand with a pack of wolves below Nov. 8. Here's what Wundinich said happened:
With his dad and nephew hunting elsewhere, he shot a small buck about 3:50 p.m. He climbed down and gutted the deer. Because he couldn't legally operate his ATV until after shooting hours (a half-hour after sunset), he went back into his stand. That's when the wolves showed up.
He stood up and made noise. "They scampered off a bit, but it didn't scare them,'' he said. He shot his 30.06 rifle twice in the air. "They ran about 45 yards away on top of a hill and started howling.'' Unsure what to do, he used his cell phone to call his dad at the cabin, who told him to call Starr, the local conservation officer, whom Wundinich knows.
"He [Starr] said fire some shots to scare them. I told him I had done that,'' Wundinich said. "He said to leave the deer.''
After a while, he fired two more shots, then reloaded his rifle. "I told him if I was attacked, I would shoot,'' Wundinich said. Wolves are protected and managed under the federal Endangered Species Act, but people can kill them to defend themselves.
Sometime after 5 p.m. Wundinich finally climbed down, got to his four-wheeler in the dark and sped to his cabin, less than a mile away. Armed with his rifle, he and his nephew each drove four-wheelers back to retrieve his deer.
"The gut pile was mostly gone and they bit into the hindquarters and neck and chewed on an ear,'' he said.
Wundinich said he was reluctant to tell anyone about the experience because he feared no one would believe him. Starr, however, mentioned the incident in his weekly report, which is distributed to news media. He said he has no reason to doubt Wundinich's story.
"He was legitimately shook up,'' Starr said.
Other conservation officers have received complaints from hunters, saying there are too many wolves and too few deer. DNR officials say deer numbers are down because of recent tough winters and liberal hunting regulations. Stark, the wolf biologist, said a lengthy DNR deer study in the Grand Rapids area showed that wolves kill about 5 to 10 percent of does yearly. Other studies estimate wolves kill 45,000 to 60,000 deer yearly. In recent years, hunters have harvested 220,000 to 250,000 deer.
As for Wundinich, he planned to be back in his stand this weekend, the last of the regular firearms season, with his wolf encounter fresh on his mind.
"I'll never forget it as long as I live,'' he said.
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Fishhunter,
I guess I look at things differently. That would be a great experience IMO. What an opportunity to get some awesome pictures.
I have had a couple chances to see wolves in the Hill City and Orr areas where I frequent. Nothing like that though.
I've slept on the side of a mountain next to my moose kill. The horses alerted us to a wolf pack that lurked around the perimeter all night long. Sure it was unnerving, but exciting at the same time.
I would have been nervous and excited in Wundinich's situation as well.
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Any healthy deer can outrun any wolf in wooded land and its likely that the ones being found dead from wolves, if it was a wolf, probably wasn't real healthy to start with.
Seriously, you honestly beleive that statement? Seriously, you must be joking. If you think the only deer that wolves kill are the weak and old, you really should do some research on this.
Here are a just a couple examples:
#1 Winter time with high snow levels. Wolves can run on to of the snow while deer cannot. Wolves have a clear advantage and target any and all deer.
#2 Wolves hunt in packs right? Yes, I am correct. Wolves run healthy deer to the point of exhaustion and then move in for the easy kill.
There has also been research that shows wolves are also killing for the thrill. They have been taking down deer and then not even eating them.
For all the people on here who think they are better than everyone else because the only opinion that matters is yours. This morning when you woke up you put your pants on the same way I did, one leg at a time. You and your opinion are no better than mine or anybody else's.
You can argue all day about the wolves and how they should not be touched, I can respect your opinion. I also don't plan on trying to change your mind because it isn't going to happen, I realize that.
But, for the people who head up north once a year to join in the great pumpkin army and hunt for deer. You are there a short amount of time and do not see or deal with the reality of a high population of this type of predator and their effects.
My mind is rooted deep with the history of the devastation they have done to the cattle and sheep industry in the past. If allowed history will repeat itself and people will be dealing with them again. Maybe that is a good thing, the government trappers will be back in business. We can start shooting them from planes and baiting and poisoning them again.
Right back at ya, dude. Which leg do you start with? You and I are probably a lot more alike than you think.
And to be perfectly clear on a couple things....I spend a great deal of time "up" there and see plenty of both ends of this candle. Much of it first hand with living animals, that where I root my history.
Secondly, I don't hunt up there. I leave the spruce heifers for the locals.
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Do either MN or WI have programs that monitor the wolf population and at what point will they decide that there are to many and to reduce that number by either trapping or hunting them?
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Alyshia Berzyck, of Minnesota, was attacked and killed by a wolf on a chain on June 3, 1989. The wolf tore up her kidney, liver and bit a hole through her aorta. One month later, on July 1, 1989, Peter Lemke, 5, lost 12 inches of his intestine and colon and suffered bites to his stomach, neck, legs, arms and back in another wolf attack in Kenyon, Minnesota.
Alright....There is no documented incidents of humans being attacked, or killed, by a wild wolf[s], not being held captive in any way. You need to take a trip to Kenyo and see what the area might hold for a wolf. The only way you'd see one there is on a leash or in a cage.
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If wolves are causing problems (I don't know, I'm not a hunter), it's up to you, if you call yourself a sportsman, to take it to the DNR and present your case. Taking the law into your own hands is not okay.
you've obviously never tried to convince the DNR in this state of anything, nor do you follow the regulations they currently have for hunting, and the lack of habitat management in this state, by said DNR.
I say "Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-Up"...
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That includes when you get caught, except I would add, take your punishment like a man.
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you've obviously never tried to convince the DNR in this state of anything,
What I have seen at age 62 is the special interest groups getting their way over and over and the sportsmen/women/whatever shooting themselves in the foot.
I've watched trap shooters disreguard the anti gun crowd because "they" weren't part of the handgun control that was trying to be enacted, I've watch the ATV and snowmobile crowd go at each other over trails and both lost ground to the activists who wanted both of them out.
The list goes on....
I've watch more damage being done because of infighting than I care to think of, so when you say "Have you ever"
I'd ask, have you ever got together as a united front???
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The WI DNR started pounding excuses up are butts before the 2009 deer season ever opened telling us all why we are not going to see any number of deer. How stupid do they think the public is? T zone hunts and a countless number of available antler less tags has led to a sad deer herd in Wisconsin. The DNR should be ashamed of themselves. I have been to there open public meetings and they do not listen to a thing you or I have to say. Instead they collect are info and rephrase things to make it look like they got the point.
Example…..No T zones the year of 2009, they just renamed it as herd reduction. Look at last years zones and this years zones, no change except for the name. They are playing us for stupid
So with that, do some of you honestly believe the DNR is going to listen to anyone about the wolf problem?
The only way it will happen is if the public gets themselves organized and take a shot at them were it hurts, in the wallet. The DNR has forgotten, they do work for us. We need to tell them to take there tags and stick em where the sun don’t shine.
And next time I here from the DNR we are suppose to get the younger people involved, I am going to ask right back…”how do I compete with video games when there is nothing to see in the woods anymore?” Good luck with that!!!
It might not be right to use the wolf phrase SSS in an open forum but…..If you think the DNR is here to listen and help, you are clueless
There is a problem with both the wolf and deer herd and no help to come. Heck, lets extend the deer season next year in Wisconsin….that is what the DNR is doing to help
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The WI DNR started pounding excuses up are butts before the 2009 deer season ever opened telling us all why we are not going to see any number of deer. How stupid do they think the public is? T zone hunts and a countless number of available antler less tags has led to a sad deer herd in Wisconsin. The DNR should be ashamed of themselves. I have been to there open public meetings and they do not listen to a thing you or I have to say. Instead they collect are info and rephrase things to make it look like they got the point.
Example…..No T zones the year of 2009, they just renamed it as herd reduction. Look at last years zones and this years zones, no change except for the name. They are playing us for stupid
So with that, do some of you honestly believe the DNR is going to listen to anyone about the wolf problem?
The only way it will happen is if the public gets themselves organized and take a shot at them were it hurts, in the wallet. The DNR has forgotten, they do work for us. We need to tell them to take there tags and stick em where the sun don’t shine.
And next time I here from the DNR we are suppose to get the younger people involved, I am going to ask right back…”how do I compete with video games when there is nothing to see in the woods anymore?” Good luck with that!!!
It might not be right to use the wolf phrase SSS in an open forum but…..If you think the DNR is here to listen and help, you are clueless
There is a problem with both the wolf and deer herd and no help to come. Heck, lets extend the deer season next year in Wisconsin….that is what the DNR is doing to help
And before anyone tells me they seen a hundred deer this year, make sure to tell me it was in a Northern National forest before I tell you your full of
Bravo Brent! Exactly what I have been saying. There is an alterior motive of some kind OR the DNR is soley responsible for systimaticaly destroying the deer herd. No different than over fishing a lake. I know one person that bow shot 5 deer last Dec in N. Wis. That mean he removed 10-15 deer from that herd this year. Assuming many deer have twins. That is one person. There are thousands of greedy people doing the same thing but the law is on their side. The DNR has destroyed our public deer herd. The wolves only have a small part. I'm sure they play a bigger role in some areas and I support culling the pack in those situations. Again let me go on record as saying I fervently beleive the DNR has destroyed our once vibrant deer herd.
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I am not following. How has the Wis. DNR lowered the deer numbers in Wisconsin or are you saying they have done nothing to bring the numbers up?
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I am not following. How has the Wis. DNR lowered the deer numbers in Wisconsin or are you saying they have done nothing to bring the numbers up?
For the last couple years now Doe tags and seasons have become out of hand. People without any restraints have taken more than there fare share of antler less deer, by doing this the mature breeding does disappear. Every doe taken is 1-2 more deer that could be seen the next season. The tags that were handed out so liberally is what has wiped out the herd, for this I blame the DNR (for the abundant tags and promoting an over harvest) and, the people who took advantage of the tags without seeing what has been happening the last 4 seasons in Wisconsin. Yes, the DNR has done nothing to bring these numbers back up.
To bring the deer numbers back it will take a buck only season in many units and, a big cut back in antler less tags in other units. I also believe as others, the DNR has been bought off by the insurance company’s…how flippin’ stupid to believe an insurance company is loosing money today. I don’t know about everyone else but my rates just go up. Plus, more cars more revenue, and yes….a better chance a deer is going to get hit but I don’t see where they lost money.
Another thing that the DNR has helped do with the slaughter, especially in Northern Wisconsin, lost revenue for local resorts and establishments. There are not near the people running to the North woods. Are crew of 9 never had a problem being seated no matter where we visited.
Opening morning there were 3 shots that rang out in a distance through out the whole day, if you ever sat in a tree stand opening morning you know that’s not right, know matter the weather conditions, post rut, pre rut or any other excuse the DNR is preparing to give us, the people who purchase the tags and by doing so, pay a wage to insure are resource is takin’ care of.
The DNR does not listen to the people that are actually spending there time in the woods, bottom line
For those that have there own land and are able to manage there own deer, my hats of to you. Please keep it healthy because if the DNR wakes up, you are keeping the breeders alive 
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Wasn't it about 4 years ago when they wanted to cut down the deep population because of diseased deer?
I thought that was the plan. Thin the WI deer herds to a level that wouldn't allow the disease to spread?
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The virus was found in Southeast-Mid WI. Never state wide and, just as a note: VHS has been around before you are I were born. The DNR finally got some fancy stuff in the lab 4-5 years ago that tested for VHS.
Another BS reason in there book to take out the deer herd. VHS was and still is found throughout the western states many, many years ago and there has been no big push to kill off the Elk or Deer herd of which it has been found in.
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No kidding! By the way it was portrayed in the media a few years back the average Bk would never have guessed.
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What I'm saying Pugs is the dnr in wi. is doing their best to decimate the herd we once had. The dnr went so far as to entertain the idea of having a 3 week hunting season in 2010. Anyone with a brain the size of a pea can tell you that would be detremental to the herd, cause that would be prime rutting season for deer.Imo the dnr better quit bitin the hand that feeds them, they would like for the general public to think they have all the knowledge and wisdom on the subject,b.s. They just keep coming up with more brain farts. How do I spell educated idiots----- D.N.R. I have seen quite a few deer seasons come and go, and I for one am tired of the nonsense.Hopefully I've cleared a few things up for you Pugs, if not I'll answer more questions.
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Just like fishing isn't called catching...hunting isn't called shooting.
Heaven forbid you guys don't get 10 chances at your deer this particular year, I guess thats why they call it hunting.
Oh but there has to be ONE reason for this, and it definitely isn't the fault of the biggest predator of them all (humans).
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For the last couple years now Doe tags and seasons have become out of hand. People without any restraints have taken more than there fare share of antler less deer, by doing this the mature breeding does disappear. Every doe taken is 1-2 more deer that could be seen the next season. The tags that were handed out so liberally is what has wiped out the herd, for this I blame the DNR (for the abundant tags and promoting an over harvest) and, the people who took advantage of the tags without seeing what has been happening the last 4 seasons in Wisconsin. Yes, the DNR has done nothing to bring these numbers back up.
To bring the deer numbers back it will take a buck only season in many units and, a big cut back in antler less tags in other units. I also believe as others, the DNR has been bought off by the insurance company’s…how flippin’ stupid to believe an insurance company is loosing money today. I don’t know about everyone else but my rates just go up. Plus, more cars more revenue, and yes….a better chance a deer is going to get hit but I don’t see where they lost money.
Another thing that the DNR has helped do with the slaughter, especially in Northern Wisconsin, lost revenue for local resorts and establishments. There are not near the people running to the North woods. Are crew of 9 never had a problem being seated no matter where we visited.
Opening morning there were 3 shots that rang out in a distance through out the whole day, if you ever sat in a tree stand opening morning you know that’s not right, know matter the weather conditions, post rut, pre rut or any other excuse the DNR is preparing to give us, the people who purchase the tags and by doing so, pay a wage to insure are resource is takin’ care of.
The DNR does not listen to the people that are actually spending there time in the woods, bottom line
For those that have there own land and are able to manage there own deer, my hats of to you. Please keep it healthy because if the DNR wakes up, you are keeping the breeders alive
Just my 4 cents worth pug
And there sir, you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
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Just like fishing isn't called catching...hunting isn't called shooting.
Heaven forbid you guys don't get 10 chances at your deer this particular year, I guess thats why they call it hunting.
Oh but there has to be ONE reason for this, and it definitely isn't the fault of the biggest predator of them all (humans).
You are speaking to the wrong crowd dude! If you have read any of the comments made, not a one person here complained about not getting 10 chances at a deer. The complaints are, the deer are not there to even see. Now pull your 10-15 year old kid away from his video games and tell him how much fun he or she is going to have hunting in the great North woods!!!!!!
Yep humans have the control on pulling the trigger but in a lot of cases greed keeps some people from thinking straight. The DNR brought out the best in the greedy ones by supplying a countless number of tags. Earn a buck was also mandatory so the buck hunters that do not want to shoot a doe, had to shoot a doe if they wanted a chance at there buck. This is the crap that has to stop.
They call it hunting when there is something to hunt. You might as well call the Wisconsin deer hunt a stroll in the woods these days.
Sorry if you don’t understand but maybe you should get your off the couch and head to the Northern zones and see what people are talking about
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Since the thread starts off ranting and is TITLED about no deer=wolves...I found it very fitting to comment on the nature of the thread! You said it yourself, greedy humans with no self control.
Take a look at a map Mr. Clark as you can see Amery is considerably farther north than Sparta and I've seen deer all 11 years of my hunting career (yes that means I'm 23, no 15yr old kid for me). Get your off the couch off the couch and comment at a useful forum. I'll take the high road and choose not to make assumptions about your life.
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My couch commit might have been out there, sorry if it offended anyone, I’m a little uptight after 7 out of 9 guys never seen a deer the first 4 days of the season, and we do hunt hard. Just a walk in the woods is proof the sign is not there.
When I talk about the Northern units I’m talking Bayfield, Iron, Vilas, Forest…well you get it, the county’s North of Hwy 8. The State Forest and National Forest have been whooped on for to long. As for the topic (Wolfs)…..bad time to try and introduce wolfs to the area if you ask me. That is where I have been going with the deer herd.
I to have seen deer, only because of a lease in Cataract, Monroe County (Private land not Public). With that said, there are not near the deer in this area either and I refuse to shoot a doe for that reason.
Listen to the people in the woods, the DNR flat out said last year “we overestimated the deer herd and under estimated the bears”. No bull hey, the people that have been spending the time in the woods have been telling them that for years now. They just don’t seem to care if you were to ask me…..in one ear and out the other.
I have been in the woods for 38 years now and this is the worst I recall ever seeing the deer population. I know it’s just not me with the beef, spend sometime up North and listen to the locals. Heck, listen to the locals around here this year. It is not going to get any better either if we all just sit around waiting for the DNR to do something about it. Therefore....someone better start ranting and raving!!
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Agreed...I can appreciate civilized discussion, versus low blows right off the bat.
A key term, we are not "introducing" wolves. We are REintroducing wolves...they've been here loooooong before us.
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Ok, I got it. Not only am I from Minni, but I am also not a hunter. However that doesn't mean I am not interested or even concerned with conservation matters relating to hunters no matter where they live. Thanks for bringing me up to speed. I definitely would have to side with you WI deer hunters.
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This has been a very lively thread!!!
I think there is much work to do with the intelligent management of our Upper Midwest Deer Herd
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Now that it has bring brought up again, I apologize for the miss information. I did not mean VHS virus, it is CWD....guess my emotions had the best of me there
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I would say this goes not only for Wisconsin, but also Minnesota and North Dakota. I was fortunate enough to have multiple chances/sightings of deer this year and managed to fill my tag, however; it wasn't easy and lots of work to get them. This is also the first year in 7 I have not seen one buck, nothing from a spike to a mature buck.
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Was up at the deer camp in the Buyck/Orr area this weekend. Saw tons of deer sign and even saw a really nice deer (body size). Also saw one pile of wolf scat. Apparently the wolf population isn't that big of a factor up there (in our area).
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I was in the Brainerd area.... 5 guys, 16 hours on stand each and a push for 3 hours.... we seen ZERO deer and lots of piles of REALLY big coyote scat.... lord knows there are no wolves in the Brainerd area...
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no cougars around Bemidji either...
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I was in the Brainerd area.... 5 guys, 16 hours on stand each and a push for 3 hours.... we seen ZERO deer and lots of piles of REALLY big coyote scat.... lord knows there are no wolves in the Brainerd area...
big G
But I'm guessing the DNR still offered everyone a doe permit??
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Shees a little wolf problem????
Try racing to get your elk out before big daddy griz eats you and the elk!
AS far a the " Shoot Shovel Shut Up" goes it happens more than you think even if I don't agree with it
Just my view from Montucky
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We have wolves here, SD had mountain lion issues in the Black Hills. Montana has D. All the above. Grizzly, kittys and dogs.
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no cougars around Bemidji either...
I fully disagree with you on that!
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no cougars around Bemidji either...
I fully disagree with you on that!
Feed them some purina dog chow. That should do them in....
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